Does anyone have any knowledge regarding worldprofit.com?
Being a naturally curious person I am always keen to look at and test products, including methods of marketing and selling – I have a self imposed rule that I would never promote or try to sell anything I wouldn’t be prepared to buy myself so I expect others to act in the same way.
Needless to say, anything that sounds too good to be true normally is……….
I would also go so far as to say that I would rather not be in this business than be in the business of selling c***p to people with the associated fall out afterwards.
I recently came across an email Ad asking if I wanted 50,000 visitors to my website, I thought why not have a look, no one would turn down the chance to have 50,000 visitors, would they?
Anyway, I have copied the email promotion below, which indicates that for attending the Webcast you get 50,000 visitors pouring into your website! Great I thought, theres some big claims here, lets have a look!
Anyway, I attended the Webcast, and listened to Dr Lant – what I could glean from the Presentation was that he said his base was in a posh district where current and ex US presidents had studied law (I thought his office was based in Edmonton, which according to my geographical knowledge of North America is in Alberta, Canada, no where near Washington/New York districts – around 2000 miles away.
Also the office in the background of the Webcast didn’t look exactly plush, plenty of clutter, not normally what you would see in a professional marketing pitch, even the scammers do that bit well!
My videos aren’t too much to write home about but then again I am not in the business of claiming to run an empire that gets 5 million visitors to my site every day and anyone who listens to my presentation will get 50,000 visitors, enough said!
The basic model of the business seems to be that you pay $97 per month, for this you get a website, a load of sales material such as squeeze pages and some digital products you can sell with agents to close your sales?
What does he mean by ‘agents to close your sales’? I thought if you are selling products online in an automated way then why would you need people closing down your sales online unless you are trying to convince people to join to join Worldprofit?
So my presumption can only be that his more senior associates put pressure on you to join WorldProfit, making this is an online pyramid selling system.
The next part of the pitch was Dr Lant using hard sell techniques to close the sale with help from online agents, with patronsing questions such as, “whats the problem don’t you have any money” then to others on the Webcast “hey everybody Peter has no money” – Clearly this is an old fashioned pressure selling technique, give the pitch and remove the reasons for people not wanting to buy from you. I think I’ve seen this kind of behaviour with the awful time share sellers whilst on holiday.
My answer was simple, “I need to do some research and Due Dilligence” to which the reply was “You don’t need to do that, its been done already” and “Peter, what are you thinking? You are making a big mistake”
In the closing part they put the point across strongly how they are approved by the Edmonton Business Bureau – This is a Business Authority/Regulator in Alberta, whilst it may show that they are a real company it doesn’t tell me the criteria they are measured on and certainly doesn’t have a worldwide remit.
I’ve seen it before in business, its quite easy to tick all the boxes if you know the world of business and you know the criteria they base their assessment on, it doesn’t necessarily tell you how and whether the business is a viable proposition.
Anyway, my initial view is that this is an expensive hosting company that gives you a turn key website in which you can try to sell a load of digital products, most of which you can probably get free from giveaway sites and your sales for which you get help are based on recruiting more people to join Worldprofit.
I don’t want to criticize Worldprofit but I would like to hear if there is anyone out there who IS making money in an ethical way, not just by selling memberships.
On another note I entered this Blog’s address into their goody bag and in about 5 days have only received around 23 visitors according to my Google analytics account, a far cry from the promised 50,000 visitors!
Anyway, as it stands I for one would not touch this with a bargepole unless someone can convince me otherwise; the Internet Marketing world like many other business sectors does need to be cleaned up, if everyone followed the approach that you should be known, liked and trusted and prepared to give something up front and not just take your money the world would be a much better place.
Any unbiased views from REAL people on this site would be more than welcome.
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I had joined worldprofit yesterday had previous meeting with them before.
DR Lant said very bad things about me right across the net.
last night. I asked various things, and challenged about list building
etc, he said had no right to question him at all.
Today made gusters and wanted help did what they said contact support and tryed may sponsor several times for him to contact me.
My sponsor understood my concerns but could not do anythink.
I put on record that i had a big row with Anett Lacey who is pastor
off a church sinner all hipocrits she is one off the monitors there.
I would ask somone would contact the police and have these people
removed fortwith and tryed in court for slander malice
and corrupt practise.and brainwashing.
I had a right go at them and said old skool marketing is usless
and phoneing people is rubbish.and i got banned permantley.
They have Kidnapped the whole internet and have stated that they are
the answer and all other programmes are blatant rubbish.
the stated that all the internet is rubbish and totally condeme all
other programmes as total scammes,indeed they are and removing them
urgently know.must be done Asap total outright con.murders.
They have corrupted the whole net people have been lied cheated robbed and maliced into there disgrafull tatics.
I leave my email above sow to start campain to destroy these people
before other people get corrupted. already have decieved 180,000
members.
I request that you notify paypal and clickbank and have them
remvove there buisness involvment and inform all gurus mlm
whole net of these pepole.
My Contact number from UK 01744634025 from USA 0011744634025
Thanks Tony
Dont just sit there get of your backsides and rally hard.
Tony the best solution is for people like me and you to independently blog about them. Unfortunately the Internet will attract people like this and good social media posts will flush them out. Suggest you create your own blog and write a few articles to submit to article directories. The more people that know about them the better
Worldprofit members area disappeared get error page
when logging in no reply to emails, and my sponsor
also has had suspecious dealing with them.
They hsave all there spalash pages on there trafic centre witch they own these get commission back
to jeffery lant himself monitiors steal all ths commisions and are paid heavy bank ellegial sums
to keep quite outright balckmail this compny
even hackes into accounts.
ALL The Domian are redirect back to DR Lant Himself
for his own glory on the net has 190,000 losing money.
I’m a member of World Profit. It has outstanding positives and negatives. It really is an amazing integrated system, but with very high member drop-out rate. I joined for another year, not sure if I will remain or not. After writing this probably not!
A senior dealer I know has a hard just keeping up with recruiting new dealers to replace the old that quit within a month.
This isn’t just World Profit’s fault, though some of it is. Most people who join something don’t want to do the needed work and learning involved. 90%+.
My opinion is the World Profit system is too complicated and technical for the average person.
Lies freely flow in the Live Business Center which I admire in some ways. Volunteers are on-duty 24/7 closing dealers sales for them. This is very unique. However, people are often told, “Join today, make money tomorrow.” It’s a high-pressure place. It’s a lying hole.
Jeff Lant, who refuses to be called anything except Dr. Lant, is intentionally rude and degrading to prospects as part of the sales tactics. He attracts people who have been used to being told to do as they are told, people who are looking for high-structure, a higher percentage of ex-military people seem to flow in, but many leave.
Prospect management system, newsletter mailer, emailer, a Read4Cash program for poor people, auto-responder option, and many other features are integrated into the whole, including Click Bank products and many professional pre-written sales letters. I really have never seen anything like it.
But it’s small font all the way around the system which older people struggle with and get very frustrated. It lacks website beauty, you can tell it’s been put together by an engineering mind. Void of any artistic beauty.
I think George Kosch who is the technical brain behind the operation is a decent guy, but reluctant to answer questions. You’re always told to go back to the BootCamp training. Sandy Hunter also seem like a nice person. But I have no use for Jeff Lant who boasts over-and-over of being a multi-millionaire and how he doesn’t need you, you need him BS. He doesn’t realize how his own dealers despise him, even the top ones. He’s in his own little World Profit world.
Everyone at World Profit is intimidated of Lant, but behind his back many tear him down.
But I wish him the best, and World Profit.
I think it could be a wonderful place under the right leadership.
There’s alot of half-truths and some lies given to prospects, it’s a fantastic system with a high spam rating (11%), and it’s been a difficult decision to stay or leave. But I just can’t see spending my time and money branding Lant.
Personally, for training and understanding of marketing, I would go with the Mike Dillard materials, first. A
The World Profit situation is a serious matter to me.
It’s great for some people, but a mistake for most.
They claim to have 700,000 members worldwide, but in reality, the number of active paid members at any given time could a couple hundred or less.
Jeff Lant has admitted that if people don’t join the live monitor program, they probably won’t stay in World Profit, so that could mean the number of paid members that actually stay long-term could be 100 or less.
Before you join, you’re told so many wonderful things, and made to feel like a fool if you don’t join. After you join, a lot of pressure is constantly put on you to join the volunteer monitor program and be personally instructed at times by Lant.
You will be hounded as a new member to join the Junior Monitor Program. And Lant has instructed all monitors to question any member who passes through the Live Business Center about why they are not in the monitor program.
If you join, all you have to say is that you haven’t purchased a headset yet. And don’t!
The biggest turn off for me is Lant, then the small-font complicated site, but what’s under the hood is pretty amazing, thanks to George Kosch. Am looking forward to the day Lant retires and people like George Kosch and Sandy Hunter can run the operation without the little dictator. It could completely change for the better, time will tell.
I’d like to tell you to not join World Profit, but the training is very good, but don’t expect to make any money there quickly or for it to be an easy road to success. It’s not at all. The longer you’re there, the more you’re locked in to the system, that can be very good for some, but not for most. I look at it like a spider-web in some ways.
Almost forgot, when your prospects come into the system, they will be bombarded with emails from World Profit. That can be good for you, as they may join or buy things, but your prospects are not really yours the way I look at it.
As you can tell, I have a mixture of thoughts and feelings about World Profit.
Talk to other un-biased people before you join.
The training and the integrated system is worth the money, if you’re willing to follow the program, do what you’re told, keep your mouth shut, brand Lant and kiss his multi-millionaire butt.
Hi Guys,
and specially to you Peter..like you I ‘due dilligence’everything now,which is how I came across you yes these guys just keep keeping on but looking at the math assuming he can achieve thousands of daily/weekly visitors less than 1% of suckers will keep him in luxury.
Brisbane Australia
Get out off worldprofit he just makes bad remarkes about
the whole ney
Hi Peter
This post reminds me of a “sell” I saw a few months back for a video tutorial series of a seminar hosted by a self professed “Top Internet Marketer” for a system that was supposed to be bringing the host thousands of dollars per month.(cost of “course” over $1900)
The shots of the attendees, who were praising the seminar sycophantically, looked like they had been taken in someones living room, there was no sign of any of the conference equipment you would expect and the attendees (some of whom had stated that they had made megabucks from one of the hosts previous systems) could have passed for a local darts match audience.
Having worked in business management for many years and having a keen eye for detail it saddens me when I see such a blatant assault on people’s gullibility.
Thanks for the warning about this one. Your blog subtitle does justice to your business ethics.
Regards
Jeff
Online marketing is not merely for the latest product, producing a website or for letting customers purchase items online. Online marketing can likewise include how a business owner can engage a work team. The measure of people who are taking computers, web design, and learning to host websites proves just how booming online marketing can make the employer, the employees, and the independent contractors. And with a comfortable Internet savvy team, your business earnings can increase too.
i forgot to metion 2 more thing i forgot to type
1st in alexa ranking 12.5 % of the traffic comes from Kenya, one of africa’s bad countries
Worldprofit.com users come from these countries:
* 63.2% United States
* 12.6% Kenya
* 6.1% Canada
* 5.4% United Kingdom
* 4.0% Australia
* 1.1% Ireland
* 0.9% Sweden
* 0.9% Romania
* 0.6% Mauritius
* 0.6% India
* 0.5% Saudi Arabia
* 4.1% OTHER
More
2nd oh i forgot, i think this one was the killer one,
Oh yeah everytime i enter worldprofit, my browser FIREFOX using the WOT addon bans me from entering this website without warning my first it has a bad reputation like bad just check that link out and also join and comment on there also
http://www.mywot.com/en/scorecard/worldprofit.com#comment
THE MORE LITTLE PEOPLE SHARE THEIR BAD EXPERIENCE LIKE ME, THE HARDER THE BIG SCAMMERS FALL
since 2 years ago, i did join worldprofit but only stuck around only for one month, the 50,000 visitors are mostly, ip pc hits thru traffic exchanges, the 21 income are all manual traffic exchanges that don’t pay at all and one of those traffic exchanges is called trafficcentre or something like that, owned by worldprofit, only money you make is reselling this silver hosting plan. There have been many members bloging in forums that state worldprofit is great, give a very high commision say 100%, on these forum against scams and such.
I even left notes on youtube but it get removed by their worldprofit silver members, cause it gives them bad business.
There are more skeletons hiding in my closet to say how reliable their software was back then and probably worse off now.
On the other hand they have like over 150 links to their main website, that they rank silly under 19,000 on alexa ranking, this is due to source code skills and having it promoting on almost everything out there on the internet
You talk about World Profit being “professional” or lack of but take a good look at all your spelling errors and typos!
“so I expect others to acti n the same way”
acti n ???
That SHOULD be “act in”
“Also the office in the background of the Webcast didn’t look exactly plush, plenty of clutter, not normally what you would see in a prefiessional marketing pitch”
Prefiessional???
The correct spelling is PROFESSIONAL!
Sheesh!
Ann
Many thanks for the observation. i admit my spelling does need to be checked more diligently!
The correct spelling corruption misleading
and unplesasant professional miscoduct Dr lant
is Judge Jury and Sentencing in one Corrupt plot
to take all money of the internet and make it extint.
I tried their 30 day trial. It was great and nothing like what I am reading here. They teach you how to market using safelists/exchanges and actually sell clickbank products. The training system is based on what you would find in the warriors forum,or at least, that’s what their training guy George Kosch tells people.
The visitors are real and so are the founders.
Pyramid schemes don’t sell a product folks!! Worldprofit is simply a hosting company. For the 99.95 per month you get an amazing site, CM, and a live course worth thousands of dollars.
I am paying for another month. George taught us how to use some SEO techniques last week I didn’t know existed.
Thanks for the comment – let me know in a few months how things are going.
Hi peter,
I used to be in world profit but left after a month or so. Dr Lant
is a Dr. He taught I think it was at Harvard. Though I do not think its a scam I wouldn’t recommend for anyone. I know the former top earner there and he quit because they changed the comp plan where you only make 20% You would have to make a lot of 100 sales to make an income and it starts over the next month I think so the slate is wiped clean every month. So is it a scam? I dont think so but they do prey on the internet marketing novices who are new and who dont know much. I hope this helps
Scott
Scott
Thanks for your evaluation. Its basically a pyramid program which relies on you selling membership of the program you have just joined – so the business has no sound foundation or purpose other that to tie people in to selling memberships.
You are the first person who has had involvment in worldprofit to comment on this post.
Hi Peter,
Good post to expose fraudulent claims and doctors of lies.
They prey on trusting souls and people who are desperate to make money.
Instead of helping them to make money they rob them.
Using the Dr before the name is already a good indication of a scam.
How many real doctors who get into internet marketing would actually use the title?
I don’t know of a single one. That should be a red flag.
And as Jose says in his comment, getting 50 thousand of visitors a day is not credible at all, let alone a million.
It’s good that you were able to rank well in Google with the post.
Vance
Hi Vance
If I can stop one person from getting scammed then this blog post would be worth it. Its this type of thing that gives IM a bad name
Hello Peter,
The only experience I have had with Dr Lant is to discover (some time ago)that he was asking something in the order of $5000 to set up a website for me loaded with his products – and mine.
I have also come across some of his creepy people on the WP LIVE Business Center who pop up when I am surfing traffic exchanges and want to talk you into joining WP. They babble on for hours waiting for the little fish to take the bait!
In any case, I was not convinced he should have my money!
Cheers
Rob
Thanks that says it all for me………..
Hello, I have just found your blog browsing on Google as I am seeking some information on flutes. appears like a cool blog so I bookmarked you and will come back tomorrow to enjoy a more detailed read when i have more time. great site!.
Hi Gregory
No worries – not the type of comment i expected on an Internet Marketing Blog! If you need more information reagrding driving traffic or cannot find what you are looking for then give me a shout though the contact form in the Blog and I’ll get back to you.
Regards
Pete
Hi Peter,
Interesting discussion. I think they used to call these guys horse traders or snake oil salesmen.
Problem for the doctor is that you are too far advanced or knowledgeable now to fall for the sales hype.
I always remember an old sea captain once telling me “Believe nothing of what you hear and half of what you see, then you will be getting near the truth”
Sound advice for the internet?
Dave
Those are good words of wisdom – I will try to remember that. I know the Dr is talking sh*** but the best approach when something like this comes to ones attention is to blog about it and give them the chance to defecnd themselves.
As you say when someone is giving a sales pitch you must always try to imagine the business/process model that sits behind what they are saying.
Hi Peter,
That promise about the 50,000 visitors sounds unrealistic knowing how hard it is to get just a few visitors to a blog, right?
I’ll stay faithful to oil rig hopping.
Jose
Jose
I knew it was really, just thought I’d test it then blog about it so anyone who is interested knows its a load of sh***
Hi peter ,
I Don’t trust anyone who calls himself a doctor
I’m a banjo player and one night I was attending a gig one of mates put on in Liverpool and the flute players name was a Dr Moriaty , in the interval I asked him what he was a doctor of , he laughed out loud and said he wasn’t a Dr at all , my mate had put it on the program and it sold a load more tickets
But I know how you feel peter curiosity gets the better of us,
just been on David walkers webinar and it was great loads of free info
and even Matt Garret was on there and he came up with a cracker
“what ever project you have put off that puts you out of your comfort zone get to it and do it first thing tomorrow.
also Lee mcintyre come out with a cracker at his workshop “failings no problem” just make sure you fail fast and move on.
cheers
mick
Some good words of wisdom there Mick – I have been failing fast for years now, because I have done so much people keep saying that one day I’m going to crack something big time – I just hope its IM and I hope its soon!
Its funny I am getting some traffic from World Profit and this post is on Page 2 of Google but no one from World Profit have come forward to explain themselves!
Hi Peter,
First I’d heard of him, so I went to look him up and got to his website, where I see some guy just sitting there. Next thing you know, he’s talking to someone, and supposedly they have 146 guests on the site at the same time. Looked hokey to me.
Next thing I did was go to Gary Conn’s article on him, calling him a scam. Seems he sat through the whole thing, then waited for the pitch and got royally insulted. Lots of information here: http://www.garryconn.com/jeffrey-lant-is-a-scam-artist-beware.php
So, definitely a scam; warn people away.
Hi Peter,
Hmm, I agree with you that the background of Dr Lant’s (never heard of this guy before – allegedly “one of the world’s top marketers”) office is pretty WWII looking. Maybe he bought those filing cabinets at an Army or Navy Surplus store. LOL!
I see these sort of things all the time. They almost always amount to zero. Most are a front for an online Ponzi Scheme (ie disastrous illegal pyramid marketing set up).
I think the most important part of Dr Lant’s sales page is the last 5 words: “CLICK HERE TO BE REMOVED.”
Gary Simpson
PS: I recently wrote a post about HONESTY here: http://motivationselfesteem.com/talk/1505/internet-marketing-honesty.htm
Gary
Thanks – we need to use our Blogging power to bring these guys to everyone’s attention!
I would hate to see someone I know getting caught up in something like this.
Hi Peter,
We have a good, top-notch university here that has produced some remarkable people and new discoveries…like the “Edmonton Protocol” in the quest to cure diabetes.
However, to the best of my knowledge, no US president…past or present…has ever attended the university here. If they had I’m pretty sure it would be common knowledge as what institution wouldn’t let it be known that a president was an alumni?
Also, while the area that the university is located is certainly nice…it’s not what I’d consider posh.
As for the Better Business Bureau, any company can become a member of them if they pay the dues.
Cheers,
Rod
Thanks Rod
Accountability is important and I am more than happy to pull anyone to account that is less than sincere. It seems to me that the only people that make money out of this are the ones that manage to sell memberships……
Apparently another thing they do is put pop up boxes on other peoples sites!
The more I hear the worse it gets!
I did not have. Just looked at this post.